He said - She said...What did the scripture say?

[Shmanu YAH]

shalom mishpacha,  ALL praises, honor and glory to the most high YHWH, baruk h'shem! ~ w' "baruka ha'bo beh shem YHWH" >>> "blessed is your coming in the name of YHWH" @ Yahushua.

            I pray all is well with you and yours and will soon be even better.
 
In this brief but important message I'd like to address a controversial topic that rarely gets dealt with correctly, >>> Women Pastors / Teachers

YEAH YEAH YEAH,  that very topic that brings the philosophy out of almost all that are involved with it, .....and there is where most of the problem rest ->>> philosophy!

Learn this: "philosophy" comes from the Greek word "philosophia," which combines the words "philo" meaning "love of " and "sophia" meaning "wisdom", - so one's philosophy is: ONE WHO HAS LOVE OF THEIR OWN WISDOM ( like the Greeks ) as opposed to seeking truth! .... nuff said !

Now what I have noticed over the years is there are two irresponsible and opposing approaches to this woman pastoring topic:

1) The male chauvinist approach - that demands women sit down and shut up and only speak when he gives her permission and also a opinion that women can never fully understand scripture anyway >>> WRONG !

2) The feminist Jezebel approach - that declares she has her own right to stand up and teach and she has been spoken to by "GOD" and the Holy spirit, and claims "GOD" is using her. >>> YEAH RIGHT !

           BOTH OF THESE I CONSIDER USELESS AND DRIVEN BY PHILOSOPHY!

Now let us seriously get at the scripture rightly divided and tear down the mis-teachings on this topic.

First let's look at the error the majority make in their approach to this topic,

We read in Ephesians 4:8, & 11-12,  4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of the Messiah. ..... ~ OH OH! already the BIG MOUTHS failed to understand that being a apostle (sent out) or being a prophet (to speak by direct inspiration what came from on high) or being a evangelist (to proclaim the good news) or pastor (a spiritual overseer) or teacher (those that publicly teach SCRIPTURE) are all DIFFERENT offices!

SO,  FINALLY WE UNDERSTAND AND HAVE TO APPLY THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "TEACHER" AND A "PROPHETESS".

                    Now lets start where we should, IN THE TORAH !

                   We see a punishment for speaking against Moses

In Numbers 12:1-4, & 10-12 we read: 1 And Miriam AND Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman, 12:2 And THEY said, Hath YHWH indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And YHWH heard it. 12:3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.) 12:4 And YHWH spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out. ...12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous. 12:11 And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my master, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned. 12:12 Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother's womb. . ..... ~ We see that Aaron AND Miriam BOTH opened their mouths but only she got punished 7 days, so is YHWH a unfair chauvinist? >>> NO!

We remember many years previously YHWH did use Miriam to safely watch the arc containing her younger brother Moses get down the Nile river to preserve his life so she did her portion. Years later YHWH used Aaron in a priestly duty to preserve all Israel and a Israelite Priest could never be diseased or leprous - and Miriam was not being eligible to be a priest (because that is NOT a woman's portion), got punished temporarily.

     Let's continue in Torah about who gets sent to lead the congregations

In Numbers 27:15-17 we read:  And Moses spake unto YHWH, saying, 27:16 Let YHWH, the Elohim of the spirits of all flesh, set a MAN over the congregation, 27:17 Which may go out before them, and which may go in before them, and which may lead them out, and which may bring them in; that the congregation of YHWH be not as sheep which have no shepherd. ..... ~ So we saw from the beginning the designation of a MALE over the congregation, NOT a WOMAN - and NOT a man LED by his wife.

     Now let's go to Judges where the misdirected like to reference Deborah

In Judges chapter 4:4-7 we read:  And Deborah, a prophetess, the WIFE of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. 4:5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment. 4:6 And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh-naphtali, and said unto him, Hath not YHWH Elohim of Israel commanded, saying, "Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun? 4:7 And I will draw unto thee to the river Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thine hand".
 ..... ~ First we see Deborah has a husband, so this in itself would show she was in submission to a head over her, then she had the wisdom to be a Judge but we automatically assume that she judged all males but maybe she mainly judged and advised the women, then we see she called Barak out >>> to remind him of something he already knew to do from YHWH - but he was disobedient so she reminded him >>> Hath not YHWH Elohim of Israel commanded, saying, "Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?" ....and we read on and see the promise that YHWH would give the Israelites the victory, through the woman Jael.

Point to be made is we NEVER read that Deborah went out publicly "teaching" torah, but instead she held the office of a "PROPHETESS"  and she never spoke on high ground or from behind a pulpit, but spoke from UNDER the shade of a palm tree!
I find it real suspicious that either feminist or chauvinist fail to read the very next chapter. >>>  In Judges chapter 5 in the "song of Deborah" we read:
5:1-2, & 9   Then sang Deborah and Barak the son of Abinoam on that day, saying, 5:2 Praise ye YHWH for the avenging of Israel, when the people willingly offered themselves. ->>> 9 My heart is toward the governors of Israel, that offered themselves willingly among the people  Bless ye YHWH ! ..... ~ Why do the masses ignore Deborah's statement that her heart is towards the "governors" which is service to the >>>MALE rulers? .....selah

        Now let's look at another one of YHWH'S real prophetesses - Huldah

In 2nd Chronical chpt. 34:18-28 we read: Then Shaphan the scribe told the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath given me a book. And Shaphan read it before the king. 34:19 And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the law, that he rent his clothes. 34:20 And the king commanded Hilkiah, and Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Abdon the son of Micah, and Shaphan the scribe, and Asaiah a servant of the king's, saying, 34:21 Go, inquire of YHWH for me, and for them that are left in Israel and in Judah, concerning the words of the book that is found: for great is the wrath of YHWH that is poured out upon us, because our fathers have not kept the word of YHWH, to do after all that is written in this book.

34:22 And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess, the WIFE of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college) and they spake to her to that effect. 34:23 And she answered them, Thus saith YHWH Elohim of Israel, "Tell ye the man that sent you to me, 34:24 Thus saith YHWH, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book which they have read before the king of Judah: 34:25 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other elohim, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched". 34:26 And as for the king of Judah, who sent you to inquire of YHWH, so shall ye say unto him, "Thus saith YHWH Elohim of Israel concerning the words which thou hast heard; 34:27 Because thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before Elohim, when thou heardest his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith YHWH. 34:28 Behold, I will gather thee to thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered to thy grave in peace, neither shall thine eyes see all the evil that I will bring upon this place, and upon the inhabitants of the same". So they brought the king word again.

..... ~ We again have to acknowledge the stature of Huldah the prophetess was the WIFE of Shallum, so she like Deborah also had a covering as well as us seeing she lived among learned MEN who TAUGHT.  Then we see that the word of YHWH came to her to speak the warning to King JosiYah about his subjects because of wicked behavior of the fathers of Judah through idolatry and the abandonment of YHWH. Huldah was used by YHWH to "pre-serve" the King and the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem, NOT to TEACH them!

Yes there were several prophetesses in the Tanak: Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Noadiah, Isaiah's wife, and in the renewed covenant there was Anna and also Philip's daughters - ALL were prophetesses that had male coverings, and NONE were recorded as TEACHERS.

              Now let's look at what's stated by the prophet  IsaiYah,
IsaiYah 3:12, "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths". ..... ~ a stern reaction to the perversion of torah Numbers 27:16,
IsaiYah 4:1,  "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach". ..... ~ a "no-brainer", this is often over-taught but it simply shows that men will not seek women for direction but will finally be responsible leaders.

Let's stay in that understanding of humility and now reference those passages that we all have read or listen to quite a bit, Proverbs 31.

If you diligently go and examine proverbs 31 you will see a long list of positive attributes of a woman that has it all together a Virtuous woman - haleluYAH!, ...BUT WHERE DID YOU READ SHE TEACHES SCRIPTURE PUBLICLY? ........WELL???

   Now lets look at what's referred to as the "new testament" where a woman publicly tried to "play priest" and bless another woman  ....loI

In Luke 11:27-28,  And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.11:28 But he said "Yea rather blessed are they that hear the word of YHWH, and keep it". ..... ~  well, well, well, a REAL priest shut down that feminist spirit that manifested itself publicly. I guess "the Holy Ghost" told her to stand up and speak huh?

   Then let's look at what Luke wrote about Yahushua recruiting his "talmadym" aka "taught ones" being prepared to teach.

In Luke 14:23-26,  And the master said unto the servant, "Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.14:24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper". 14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 14:26 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple"  ..... ~ some twist this statement  "If any man come to me"  to mean: any person or any believer, BUT doesn't it continue to "and hate not his father, and mother, and WIFE" ?  >>> you mean woman disciples can have wives?

Then let's look in Acts what has been ignored by the feminist,

8:26 And the angel of YHWH spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Isaiah the prophet.

8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Isaiah, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

8:31 And he said, How can I, except some MAN should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. ..... ~ Philip the MAN was sent by a malak aka angel of YHWH to guide and teach him the word of YHWH, and only a MAN can teach the eunuch because this eunuch was of great importance and the word he took back had to be taught correctly!

         Then let's look at what was shown in Acts that has been perverted,

                      In Acts 21 we read of Philip and his daughters

And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. ..... ~ Philip himself was the evangelist! ..... his daughters did what they were taught to do -> "naba" aka "prophesy" or "bubble forth" the words given to them.

I also notice that these young ladies get referenced a lot for their prophesying but when did it say they taught scripture? I also wonder: why the BIGMOUTH women teachers won't compare themselves to these four ladies purity? ......... well?  ( also reference 1st Cor. 7:8 ).

If we pay attention to 1st Corinthians 11:1-3, in context we would understand the TRUE order of things aka "protocol":

11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of the Messiah. 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of the Messiah is YHWH. ..... ~ this has constantly been ignored by the feminist, because when they read "the head of every man is the Messiah" yet still ignore this wisdom and still try to lead the man >>> then they are slickly trying to take the place of the Messiah! ....BAD CAREER MOVE!.

Then we read in 1st Corinthians chpt. 14  what the insecure male chauvinist these days pummel the woman down with:

14:33-34, For Elohim is NOT the author (writer) of confusion, but of peace, as in all assemblies of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the assemblies: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law (Torah). 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the assembly. ..... ~ this has been taken WAAAAAYYYYY out of it's intention, it simply means that females are not to TEACH in the assemblies over men because THAT WOULD BE CONFUSION - but ask the men and be taught, and it doesn't mean they can't speak or converse with others believers in public.

Also we read in 1st Timothy chpt. 2

2:9-12,  In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 2:10 But (which becometh women professing reverence) with good works. 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. ..... ~ this is also taken WAAAAAYYYYY out of it's intention, it's just a charge for true women of YHWH to prove it through a presence of humility and understanding YHWH's order of things.

Also we read in 1st Timothy chpt. 3

3:1 This is a true saying, If a MAN desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the HUSBAND of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the assembly of YHWH?) ..... ~ this speaks to two issues: 1 only a MAN can be a husband, NOT a woman, and 2 about ruling HIS household - not a bishop being a woman ruling the man's household.

Most of us have heard female televangelist or teachers of the feminist spirit claim they are "ordained by GOD",  - and it's not my place or your place to say that they are or are not, ( and my question isn't whether they have the ruach h'q'desh, but IF they have the same spirit of the past apostles then why don't they do what the past apostles say and taught? ......selah ) and if we do some serious study of the scripture we can examine the English word "ordain" or in Hebrew "men'aw" which means: to ordain, to allot or constitute officially; also to enumerate or enroll, appoint, prepare  (Strong's 4483 & 4487) and my point is the word ordain or ordained is in the scriptures over 40 times and NEVER ONCE did I read it applied to a woman ( please go back and double check for yourself ).

You should note the response you will get when you state that the first woman to instruct or teach in the entire scriptures was Chywah / Eve as she instructed Adam - and ask them: "how did that turn out?"

Then have them mouthy feminist reference 1st Timothy chpt. 2:13-14, >>>For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

note: when Chywah ate from that tree nothing happened, but when Adam ate from that tree >>> SIN ENTERED IN, - because HE was to be the leader!

If I wanted to deal a knock-out blow to any "behind the pulpit" or "behind the youtube camera" female TEACHER, I would just ask: COULD YOU JUST GIVE ME BOOK, CHAPTER AND VERSE of where YHWH told a woman to get her torah or any scripture and go TEACH it to the people, and she went and did what he asked?......................         I'm still waiting ....................

Without a doubt many or I should say most women have a lot of knowledge and wisdom given to them from on high as well as their life experiences, so women DO have a OBLIGATION to teach! ... NO WAY AROUND IT ! - The problem is that very "out of order" desire from some to exalt themselves like many of the BIGMOUTH males do. ( John 10:33 shows the exalting of one's self in the name of YHWH is considered blasphemy .... hint, hint ). We also should not forget the James 3:1 warning.

       Now Lets look at what the writings say about women's role as teachers.
We saw in Titus Chpt. 2,

it's states:  2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 2:4 That THEY MAY TEACH THE YOUNG WOMEN to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that THE WORD OF YHWH BE NOT BLASPHEMED.

       SO YES, WOMEN CAN AND SHOULD TEACH - SO WHAT'S THE HOLD UP ?

We see in today's society that there is a serious and desperate need AND obligation for ALL wise mature women to step up and help the many many wayward and lost young ladies that are crying for help and don't even know they are! ->>> Just pay attention to their behavior in the streets, on public transportation, in the schools, in the courts, in the churches and especially in the grocery stores and not to mention the strip clubs!!! ... think: what presentation of torah have they been exposed to ???

Seeing how most of these younger females may have been damaged by men in the first place and no longer trust them, it is the BEST time for women with the REAL SPIRIT OF DEBORAH to step and and evangelize face to face and not continue to "play it safe" behind a pulpit or microphone like the renown Christians do.

   Again: YES women should teach because it is a GOOD thing,..... so do it !!!

It productively occupies time and keeps many humans from sin ->>> James 4:17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin". ...... nuff said !

This contentious but necessary writing was very simple for me because it's scripturally based and executed, and by NO means intended to dishonor any female, but simply to restore in our hearts and minds YHWH's order of things.

And please don't ignore the fact that women teaching in assemblies is a modern day vexation, IT NEVER WAS A PROBLEM IN THE DAYS OF OLD.

selah and shalommmmmmm

[Linda Scott]

OOOPS, guilty as charged. I have to admit that I for one tend to play it safe on occasion. What I mean is, when I try to bring THE TORAH to some of these Worldly young women and they reject it and or not want to read & research for themself, upon their return w/ questions I tend to get that Hitler attitude with them, so I back off.  Forgetting the Fact at the moment that they do not have my Overstanding of THE TORAH, I just immediately get vexed.

It is so plain and simple to me, but, why not to them. I need  help in PRAYER on this issue.

Also, regarding some women who  think they can stand in the Assembly and give  The Word of  YAH/ YAHSHUA is certainly Blasphemous ; I always say that they have that Eve spirit, trying to usurp the men.

This was a very well thought out Commentary My Brother, always Love hearing your thoughts and corrections.

HAL LE LU YAH!!!